A Witch, a Narcissist and ETs with Jo Ann Fawcett

In this enlightening conversation, Julie Hilsen and Jo Ann Fawcett explore themes of spirituality, empowerment, and healing. They discuss the importance of setting intentions, the challenges of navigating relationships with narcissists, and the transformative power of writing and self-care. The dialogue also touches on the connection with nature, the exploration of intergalactic beings, and the universal laws that govern our existence. Through personal anecdotes and insights, they inspire listeners to embrace their journeys of self-discovery and healing. Link to Jo Ann's Book https://amzn.to/411i9mE

Transcript

Julie Hilsen (00:10)
Dear God, creator, universe, thank you for bringing Joanne and I together again in the sacred space that we created. I honor her efforts and her diligence. And I'm just really excited for you to work through us and for us to bring forth a message for the highest good. Let this message be strong enough to reach those ears that need to hear, but gentle enough to reach their hearts as we bring forth it.

the earth which we want to live in, which we want our children to live in, which glorifies Mother Gaia. May we continue to focus on raising our vibrations so that we can be aware of things that need to change, things that need to be transmuted, and help us to be a part of that transmutation, that part of the raising the vibration and consciousness so we can focus our energies on the things that need to be changed.

help our evolution as people. And just again, I honor Joanne and I am so thankful to be here today. so it is. And thank you, thank you, thank you.

Jo Ann Fawcett (01:23)
Thank you.

Julie Hilsen (01:24)
And I forgot I'm calling in my guides and all the enchanted beings that want to collaborate together. like, wait, I forgot something. They're here with us, our whole team. Yes, it's part of our field. Thanks for being here.

Jo Ann Fawcett (01:32)
Lovely. Because that's who we are.

Very good.

course, thanks for having me. It's delightful to talk with you again.

Julie Hilsen (01:47)
my gosh.

I I know. it's, I looked and our last episode aired January 20th, I think it was 22nd of this year, but we recorded it around the same time. So it's been about a year since we connected in this. I mean, we've been connecting on emails and such, but it goes fast, right?

Jo Ann Fawcett (01:58)
uh-huh. that's right. Yeah.

It does go fast and right about the time that episode was coming out, I was starting to work on the new book. So it's all good. And I'm already working on the next book. So it's okay.

Julie Hilsen (02:18)
Yeah, imperfect segue. You're gonna get going.

I've got it. I got a little download on a new book that I'm gonna try to put together. And it's, it's different from Life of Love. It's gonna be, it's gonna be about women and probably menopause, something about menopause. But I'm gonna make it more like maybe like a romance novel type.

Jo Ann Fawcett (02:28)
cool!

Good topic.

Julie Hilsen (02:43)
you know, but shining light on what we go through going through menopause.

Jo Ann Fawcett (02:46)
Right, right, right,

don't know until you unless you've actually gone through it. Yes, I'm grateful that I'm past that. And there's there's a whole TV show like I don't if it's a sitcom, but it's a some kind of I don't I don't know if it's a sitcom. I haven't watched it, but it is about several women. They're friends and they're all going through menopause. And it's like, you know, anyway, there is there is.

Julie Hilsen (02:54)
talk about a metamorphosis.

There's so much there.

And I feel like it's an untapped, untapped place that, you know, this rite of passage. I want to thank, before I forget, I want to thank everyone for tuning in again and sharing these messages. It's, you know, it's part of us helping to live our life of love by sharing inspiration and however form it looks on the day. Like, I think the most important thing is to be centered in

I want to give forth my best today. want to show up in my highest good. And so these kinds of messages, I hope give inspiration and perspective and insight and it's fun. so tell us about your new book. I'm so excited. I think you said it was called The Prince Was Wrong.

Jo Ann Fawcett (03:59)
It's called The Prince Was Wrong, Leaving the Narcissist Behind. So it's, you know, it's got an image that looks very similar to my ex-husband. The number seven ex-husband and because turns out he is a narcissist and his nickname is the Prince. So, you know, and he thought he was never wrong about anything because that's what narcissists do.

Julie Hilsen (04:04)
Okay.

Ha

Jo Ann Fawcett (04:28)
And I tried to tell him, you know, you're not always right. yes, I am. Yeah, no, you're not. And I don't know if I came up with the title or like one of my granddaughters did, but they were very helpful in giving me insight for this book. But the graphic designer for the publisher, I said, this is what I want. you know, there's a crown shattering on the floor and he's just looking going like, what the heck happened?

Julie Hilsen (04:53)
His

kingdom is falling down around him.

Jo Ann Fawcett (04:55)
Yeah,

you know, he's not in a happy place and that sucks for him. But, you know, it's like as my therapist has told me, well, she keeps reminding me, it's like, my life has gotten so much better because I dumped him. And it's, you know, I'm still going through things that really irritate me and are annoying. And have I been able to retire yet? No. You know, am I still dealing with some niggly things that relate to him? Yes.

But I don't have to talk to him about it. I don't have to talk to him at all, which is great. it's interesting because one of the editors for my first book, her ex-husband is also a narcissist. And we had gotten together, you know, after I moved up here and after that book came out. And she goes, know, you're really your second book should be about the narcissist ex. I'm going, please no

Julie Hilsen (05:46)
of just want to put in the box and put in the closet and forget about it, right? Like, blah.

Jo Ann Fawcett (05:49)
Yeah, you

know, but unless you really create as much closure for yourself as you can, because it's really hard to totally cut all those cords with a narcissist. And thankfully, he and I didn't have any kids together because then we'd be tangled together forever. But it's hard. And like I said, I'm still dealing with one little financial piece that it's like, and it just keeps going. And it's like, when is that going to end?

I didn't know that's what we were dealing with until I moved to Oregon and we started, you know, I started kind of looking at what's going on and I passed the sandwich board that my therapist has out in the neighborhood going, you know, I people with going through narcissistic abuse. It's like, that's what it's called because I, you know, I just thought he was a spoiled brat because he's an only child and he wants his way all the time.

And he always thinks he's right. I just thought he was a spoiled brat, which he, you know, he is, but he, there's also a name for it. And, and it's interesting because I didn't get, unlike some of my other author colleagues and stuff, I didn't get always the bullying or the, you know, some of the red flags are they're either bullying you or they're just making you feel wrong all the time and stuff. But

I just because I'm such a good codependent or I was, you know, it's like you want to just keep everything it's like, I wasn't always doing what he wanted me to do as far as like helping him with his projects forever and doing this, you know, maybe starting little businesses that he wanted to start But it was always, you know, as long as I was kind of trying to go along with the flow of things that, you know, he thought were great ideas.

But in the meantime, I was also doing my own business and I'm a bookkeeper. So I had built up this huge business, which I do very well at. then, but you turned your back on my projects or my needs. It's like, I'm paying the bills. You're in prison. You're not paying anything. So it's just I learned that, this guy is a narcissist. He hits a lot of the red flags.

If you step over the line or if you get out of his agenda, then it's like, you know, he gave me a couple of little quiet lectures in the visiting room in prison, which were very uncomfortable. It's like and I wasn't allowed to leave the room and go cry. You know, it's like you can't cry and you just, you know, sit here. Don't don't get up. Don't embarrass me. And it's like these little things. And some of the really mean stuff didn't start happening until I moved from California.

because he assumed I was just leaving him. go, no, I'm leaving your house and it's falling apart and you're in prison and it's COVID and I can't see you anyway. So I'm going to go be by my family. So at least I have people to be in the bubble when COVID first started. And so that was very helpful. But also I was dealing with this big house in California that was, you know, it was over a hundred years old. It was costing me a ton of money. I'm still in debt because of all that, but.

But just all these things he expected me to just keep up because, the good wife, the good wife does this.

Julie Hilsen (09:03)
Yeah, it

sounds like a lot of emotional manipulation.

Jo Ann Fawcett (09:06)
Yeah, he was really good at that. So, you know, he wasn't physically violent toward me because he thought you just don't hit girls. And, you he could never yell at me in public visiting. He never yelled at me, but he could. He yelled at me once we started writing about these things. It was like very emphatic letters and lots of capital letters. And it's like, you know, you're screaming at me in your letters. So like for three years, we were trying to untangle this through letters mostly because I didn't see him much.

And I all of a sudden, when the editor had said, you know, you should write about this. I'm going, look, I have all these letters with all this mean stuff about, well, a good wife should be grateful that she's got this house in this nice neighborhood that her husband provided for. go, yes, but there are no other prison wives in this area unless they live in the poor area of town. And I don't even see them at visiting. So.

Yes, I live in a nice neighborhood, but your house is falling apart and everybody's expecting me to pay for it.

Julie Hilsen (10:07)
Gosh it sounds like he wanted you to be in prison too. In his house. Yeah.

Jo Ann Fawcett (10:10)
I guess I pretty much was, yes, because

by the time I left, I was feeling so alone. And I kind of felt alone anyway because my whole life was working and networking for work. So I didn't really have a lot of friends that I went and did fun stuff with And I would go see him on the weekends pre-COVID.

I felt so isolated. And then the winter hit, so the trees are creaking and I was afraid the trees were gonna fall on the house like they do. It was a crazy time. I was starting, cause I had...

So like the fall before COVID, I had started saying, You know, we're in our mid 60s and we really should start thinking about downsizing so I can retire before I'm dead. And, you know, I want I want some kind of life after retirement. And, you know, we always hoped he'd get out of prison. He's never going to get out of prison. And he just never.

the only idea he ever had was selling an asset overseas that I don't think ever came about. And if it ever came about, I never saw any money. So, you know, we were going to fix up the house, maybe rent it. So he never wanted to sell the house, which now it's going to have to be sold. But

You know, he didn't want to he didn't want to get rid of any things he didn't want to. He didn't really want to downsize, you know, like because he hadn't been around his things for so long. It's like, well, your things are starting to deteriorate here, dude. So I was just trying to be practical, but he he really wasn't very helpful. And so we were fighting about that the whole rest of time. And in his mind, it is well, a good wife should should feel OK about.

helping with some of the upkeep. go that little bit of upkeep on your house is an eight thousand dollar roof repair here and an eight thousand dollar sewer repair here and a this and that. No, I didn't have to pay rent, but I, you know, I paid a lot and I would have never lived in that neighborhood had I not been married to him. But because that's, know, I don't need a giant house and I couldn't have afforded it. You know, it's like to live in that part of northern California. You need

a two or three person income. And I make a good income, but not enough to keep maintaining that living in that area all by myself. it.

Julie Hilsen (12:25)
and

I can't even imagine the property taxes alone. Gosh.

Jo Ann Fawcett (12:35)
Thankfully,

his parents, they were under Prop 13. Compared to the other houses in the area, my property taxes were pretty reasonable. I have clients that live in that county, so I know what they're paying.

Julie Hilsen (12:50)
Okay.

Jo Ann Fawcett (12:52)
You know, I'm grateful, but it's it's still got to be too much. because you keep losing your insurance because you live in a wooded area and you live in California and nobody wants to insure anybody in California anymore. then all these repairs started. It's like, well, it became a huge burden. he didn't see it that way. So. Yuck. And.

You know, it was just like and it was a lot of it is I started standing up for myself and it's like, my God, who's this person? Who's this woman who dares who dares tell me what they want? And it's like and some of it was, you know, well, you know, I always asked him, it's like, well, why did you want to get married? And my new part of it was because it's better for an inmate to have a wife in case they need somebody to advocate for them. OK, I get that.

And but it was like it was more like, you just need somebody to be in the picture. But he could never tell me, you know, usually when you're married to somebody for any length of time, you can tell them what you like about them or, you know, what you just love about them. And I didn't need that all the time, but he couldn't tell me at all. And he wouldn't. And it's like, well, men just don't do that. I go, well, they do. You know, I think they do. Maybe not.

Julie Hilsen (13:55)
Mmm.

They're wives.

Jo Ann Fawcett (14:04)
Yeah, if they're wise, if they want to stay married, you know, and if that's important, because, you know, I don't need to hear it all the time, but it is nice to know that you didn't just marry me so I could take care of your house and do your projects, because finally, that's what it was feeling like. And he just couldn't understand that. And and then like one of the last times I saw him in person and, know, we'd already decided to get divorced, but we were trying to work. I go, you know, it's like.

So like, why didn't you even want to hardly kiss me? It's like, you should have tried to be prettier. It's like, we've been together 25 years and what am I ugly?

you don't say that to your wife. Yes, I'm overweight or I was I lost 30 pounds after I left him but it's like you don't say that to your wife. Yeah, it's like and a good friend of a mutual friend of ours who's become like my best friend he goes you lost 170 pounds when you left him and I go yes I did and I lost then I lost another 30.

Julie Hilsen (14:48)
You lost a bag, ya?

No, he weighed 170 pounds.

Jo Ann Fawcett (15:04)
guess I lost to him. So I weigh nothing. I weigh nothing. I weigh nothing. I know. I was able to start standing up for myself. He didn't like it. So we had we had a couple of years of really rough letter writing. But that was all the fodder for the book. So most of the book is examples of his, you know, garbage coming out of his pen. And

Julie Hilsen (15:07)
Yeah, you're weightless. You lost all the baggage.

Yeah, well,

yeah, I was just thinking he really made it easy to divorce him, right? Like, if he's gonna tell you that you should have been prettier, that good wives, you know, like all these flags, you know, you're like, okay, this is a really easy decision at this point.

Jo Ann Fawcett (15:46)
Yeah, yeah, you know, it's like, and I don't know what one thing he said, but it's like, you know, there was all these little things because like, don't tell me what a good wife should be, because I've been with you 25 years. So I stuck by you for 20, you know, a good 20 seeing you all the time in prison, you know, come on. And did I get much appreciation for that? No, because that

Julie Hilsen (16:04)
Right. Right!

I would ask,

did you ever ask him to be a good husband?

Jo Ann Fawcett (16:14)
I think I did, you know, and yeah, do this and this and this. Yes. And I, and I tried to bring up, you know, it's like one of the things you have to do is set boundaries. So I tried to start doing that with him. He, know, he doesn't like to be told he's wrong. Narcissists don't like to be told. that they're wrong ever. And they just don't see it. And it's interesting because like,

Julie Hilsen (16:16)
Like, a good husband would. Yeah.

Hmm.

Jo Ann Fawcett (16:42)
One of the last times I saw him and the divorce proceedings had started. after the you should have been prettier thing, we're in the public visiting room for one last visit because I wanted to make sure he got the divorce papers. I wanted to make sure he knew I was going to stop paying for things at the house. And I go, you know, you said you were very mean because I don't remember saying anything mean. I go, well, I have it all in writing.

And it's not like I announced to him that I was going to write a book, but it's like, have proof. you were mean. I'm hearing from, my best friend did he ever say mean things about me? Like after visiting was over? Yeah, I could. Well, that SOB because in public, we looked like the perfect loving couple. And a lot of the times it felt like that.

then it didn't all of a sudden. as I moved away and I started going to therapy and COVID was hitting so you couldn't really go out and meet new people anyway. And I wasn't going to jump into some new relationship, and my daughter was going through a break up at the time. So, know, one of our pet projects during the beginning of COVID was like, well, let's make a bucket list of what we want from like the next guys, what's going to be the things that will really stick?

what is that we really want? And so later, when I started like going on dating apps and everything, we could do a whole session about that because that's just a minefield. But anyway, yeah. But, you know, I let the Leo out of the cage, as I tell people, because I am very much a Leo. I'm finally not this mousy person sitting in the cage anymore. And I don't try to be overbearing, but

Julie Hilsen (18:04)
That's it.

Jo Ann Fawcett (18:19)
I'm very transparent. I have become this person who speaks up for myself and who is perfectly willing to tell any man that wanted to take some interest. here's what's important to me, including the questions of, you liberal or conservative? Are you religious or spiritual? by the way, I'm a witch. Do you care? And this is who I am. And this is what I stand for.

Julie Hilsen (18:40)
Mm-hmm.

Jo Ann Fawcett (18:45)
as we got closer to the election, it's like, OK, I'll just put it out there. Who are you voting for? Because that's going to be a deal breaker for me if you're not voting the same way I am. And usually I don't you know, usually I'm pretty lax on that. But, you know, obviously lately we have to be mindful of what's happening. So it's just I've become very transparent and I have become this person who knows what I want. And I'm not afraid to say it.

Julie Hilsen (19:02)
Yeah.

Jo Ann Fawcett (19:10)
So and I'm very much for empowering women. So you're going to like what the next book is about too. But because it's right in line with I think kind of what you want to do. But I'm very much for offering hope to women that you can get out of these crappy relationships. And, you know, there's people out here who love you and want to help you. our stories may all be different and we may have experienced like the narcissism differently.

Julie Hilsen (19:10)
Hmm

Jo Ann Fawcett (19:36)
over 150 million people in the United States alone who have some kind of narcissist in their life because sometimes it's your parent or your child or your sibling or your friend or your colleague or your romantic partner. You know, it could be anybody, but it's exhausting. It's really exhausting.

Julie Hilsen (19:52)
And it just sounds so therapeutic

to put it all down in a book and be like, purge, purge. you know, have you gotten feedback from people who have gotten hope or ideas from you tell me how it's played out.

Jo Ann Fawcett (19:56)
Yeah. Yeah.

And yes, go ahead.

Well, it's interesting

on the podcast, it goes well, but you know, I've been in a couple of summits, especially where other people who have experienced it and we just feel this camaraderie. some of the guys that I've had like a coffee date with, yeah, my ex-wife was a narcissist. So at least they get it, you know, so, you know, cause like I said, anybody can experience it. I haven't had a lot of people.

giving me feedback. So, you know, I know some people are buying it. So that's great. I'm hoping it's, it's offering hope.

Julie Hilsen (20:31)
Nice.

Jo Ann Fawcett (20:38)
I've also just published a healing journal to go along with it because writing has become a very magical part of my healing practice. And I journal almost every day and just for myself. So that's lovely. I walk and so I have a list of self-care things that have been very much part of the healing journal. So it's not like I just sit in my house and then talk to my therapist because I

I actively do things that make me feel better. So yeah.

Julie Hilsen (21:09)
so important, right? It's so

important. when you, well, I'm just gonna speak from experience. When I let one of those things go, it always comes back to bite me. Like I'll get out of the routine for I traveled and I just get out of, know, things happen, emergencies, and you sort of shift your attention and you put your needs to the side. And then all of a sudden you're like, I haven't been clearing my energy or I haven't walked outside today and I'm a mess.

Jo Ann Fawcett (21:29)
Yeah.

Julie Hilsen (21:38)
I need to see the sacred geometry in plants. You absorb it in your being.

Jo Ann Fawcett (21:43)
Exactly.

now that it's rainy season, I try to get out when it's not raining, but I will still walk when it I had to go do some errands this morning and I'm walking back and this one street I was on, it's like all these squirrels and it's like, and I'm talking to the squirrels, I'll talk to any little creature and any plant and stuff. it's just so magical and it just helps brighten your mood for the

when I've been on my walks, I'll get inspiration for a talk I'm about to give or like if I'm in a writing project, it's like, this is how I need to say it. You know, I knew kind of what I wanted to talk about, write about that day. if I'm mindful, I'll say, OK, now help me say it the best way that it needs to be written down. And, you know, I get I get the ideas it's cool and it's interesting.

Julie Hilsen (22:29)
Yeah.

no, I was, I'm reading a book and it's, you know, it's this woman, she's a schizophrenic. And she's written a book, it's called The Operators and Things. It's a, it's a pretty famous book about schizophrenia. But she's in it, she's talking about your subconscious. And it occurred to me that that's when our subconscious can help us is when we're

Jo Ann Fawcett (22:37)
huh.

Wow.

Julie Hilsen (22:56)
not laser focused on the activity in front of us or the problem. When we get out and we feel the expansion, we feel the space, we breathe and our subconscious can give us hints about what we need to do because we're so wise. We're so wise, but our brain, our ego will try to say, that's a bad idea. You can't do that. It's almost like a narcissist is your ego sometimes. Your ego is a narcissist. It just tries to keep you in this

Jo Ann Fawcett (23:00)
Right, right.

Exactly. you... Yeah. It's so... Yeah. Yeah.

Julie Hilsen (23:25)
box.

Jo Ann Fawcett (23:26)
Yeah, yeah, it's interesting because like, especially when the weather was changing in the fall and spring are my favorite times of the year. But it's like when it was really stepping into fall here in Portland, it's like the air is just so alive for me. And even though, we've got soggy leaves all over the place. when the colors were starting to change and the air was just changing it's just.

so magical to me. just love it. look at there's the full moon and it's just so gorgeous. you just have to take a moment to to see these things and and just appreciate those little things that will get us through the day. Because, you know, if I looked at.

Julie Hilsen (24:04)
Yes!

Jo Ann Fawcett (24:06)
you know, all the crap and annoying things I'm still dealing with, even, you know, work or hammer. It's like, whatever. It's like, I could be a total depressed mess, but I just really choose not to be. So, and why it's not going to help me.

Julie Hilsen (24:18)
And I love that it's a

choice and God, know, show me what I need to see. Like help me see what I need to see to get through this with grace and understanding. And did you ever hear the whole thing about how narcissists are empaths, but they just don't know how to use their power to serve others. They use it just for serving their self.

Jo Ann Fawcett (24:28)
Yes.

interesting. I hadn't really heard that but that could make sense because it's interesting. My ex, I'll give him credit for having a magical practice. It's different than mine and and he has intuitive abilities.

Julie Hilsen (24:56)
Mm-hmm.

Jo Ann Fawcett (25:02)
And on the surface, have seen things where he tries to help people, you know, he is of service at times, especially at the prison, but it all comes back to making himself look good most of the time. you know.

Julie Hilsen (25:16)
You

know, I've been bringing life to Star Trek lately and it's like, it's almost like narcissists are the Klingons of the human race. We're the federation, like we want to serve humanity, but there's always those Klingons.

Jo Ann Fawcett (25:25)
Ha ha ha!

Well, one of the fascinating things that has happened is, and you know, as far as creativity goes, I like to cook. like, well, I don't like to sew so much anymore. But, you know, I'll do needlework. I'll do yarn thing, you know, knit and crochet. And, you know, I do those kind of things and I'm writing now. But my creative juices have ramped up.

Julie Hilsen (25:38)
We froze. We broke the internet. Joy and I just broke the internet with Joy. I don't know what's happening.

I love that. I was going to pick your brain about any updates about the intergalactics that's happening

Jo Ann Fawcett (26:07)
my focus on my talks is more about because when I do work with the channeling medium and sometimes they'll give me messages from nonhumans and stuff. But I have definitely come to embrace that we have this connection with.

intergalactic beings, and they really want us to be part of their world or universe or, they would really like a connection with us. We're just not at their level. You know, we're not as enlightened as they are. But it's like we really need to make ourselves better people. We really need to raise our vibration, whatever the verbiage is. I don't use it. But it's just like we need to, you know, lift ourselves up and, we'll be better prepared to communicate with them

tell people, because this is kind of like what my my newer talk is like, here's all about a bunch of different kinds of cool aliens that I love to talk about. And over here, if you could understand, it's like a lot of them have fairies in their world because fairies live in the universe. A lot of them have sorceresses and magical beings in their part of their society. So, you know, there's so so it's like, cool, you've got a a raptor.

That's a witch. love that. So, you know, it's like so. So I connect with them on many levels. And I love it because, even witches from a long time ago, especially in the British Isles, they would get witchcraft is just science. It's just using natural law. So it's no big scary thing. Well, it doesn't have to be. You know, I don't ever do anything dark. But it's like, you know, a lot of them, they would you think they I.

totally believe they got a lot of their information from alien downloads because the natural laws that would be everywhere in the universe, doesn't matter what your belief system is, there's natural laws wherever you live. So it's interesting, the information and the knowledge has been there. And so...

Julie Hilsen (27:50)
Mmm.

So do you think

natural law and universal law are the same thing? No?

Jo Ann Fawcett (28:09)
I don't know, but, your

planet may not look like this planet, but you're still going to have natural laws that govern it wherever you live. And there are many there are other planets that are like Earth. I just think that. witchcraft is science and you use the natural laws and the energetics of plants and herbs and things to make better things, you know.

Julie Hilsen (28:17)
Gotcha. Okay.

Jo Ann Fawcett (28:32)
create better things in your life. you could have energetics and qualities for, know, maybe that herb on that planet is not the same kind of herb here, but you know, you can have the same kind of magical properties going on and energies going on. there's, many alien species that are very spiritual. So I like that.

Julie Hilsen (28:52)
Yeah, it's fun.

It's fun to explore and to know that we're not alone. I don't know if you caught, Trump spoke on Rogan, Joe Rogan, and they touched on the ET disclosure, the impression was that he really wasn't interested in it, but he was gonna look at it again.

Jo Ann Fawcett (29:04)
really?

Well, whoever gets voted into office is told that it is a real thing. They're just never allowed to know as much as like the military knows. So it will be interesting. It would be really smart of him to acknowledge that it is a very real big thing. And because we're already getting lots of technology from them, we have for a long, time. Everything is not a good thing with different aliens, but

Julie Hilsen (29:12)
So

Gotcha.

Yeah.

Jo Ann Fawcett (29:40)
Certainly the technology, we get a lot of technology from them. and they're helping us and they're hindering us from behind the scenes. It depends on which government. Yes, they're not all friendly. And maybe the less friendly ones work with that other government.

Julie Hilsen (29:50)
what their intention is.

Right.

Yeah, with

the shadow government. So do you have med beds come across your field? I have friends who are really interested in the med bed technology.

Jo Ann Fawcett (30:05)
Who?

I've heard of it. I haven't really investigated it. So, and I do know just, you again, thankfully from all the info that I did get from the X, it's like, there are species who have very advanced medical technology themselves. So, you know, if we could go hang out with the raptors for a while, they have wonderful doctors and things.

you know, ability to like help you regrow skin or they have interesting abilities and probably without the use of a med bed. But I don't know. Maybe they do. I don't know how they do it. He didn't, you know, disclose any secrets. there's a dog species that was very good with medical stuff. And they're not from Australia, but that's where their base is here. But.

Julie Hilsen (30:34)
No.

That's

for they.

Jo Ann Fawcett (30:51)
You know,

it would just really behoove us to really get to know, especially some of these friendlier species once we're allowed to do that. But they're still a little bit scared of us. And the government just needs to. Get off their, you know, whatever their cushion, and because it's like they're they're letting the information out a little bit at a time, but most a lot of people already know that, you know, there's sightings everywhere and, know, you can.

And I've seen my own sighting, it's just, it is a real thing. You know, what can I say?

Julie Hilsen (31:22)
Yeah, well, after

we spoke last time, there was that Miami incident where the Raptors were coming through the mall. And I saw the footage and I was like, I wonder what Joanne thinks of this. But had you caught, you didn't see it?

Jo Ann Fawcett (31:27)
huh.

I didn't know. didn't see it. I

know I usually don't. I usually don't hear about that kind of stuff and I don't spend very much time on YouTube for, you know, distraction. So.

Julie Hilsen (31:48)
Cause I wanted, I was like, wonder, cause you always, the first thing that always comes to your head is it's AI. Like they just took scenes of them all and popped them in.

Jo Ann Fawcett (31:55)
Was it broad daylight?

or at night.

Julie Hilsen (32:00)
It was, I believe it was daylight. It was sort of dusk though.

Jo Ann Fawcett (32:05)
Hmm. Because usually unless it's like Halloween or some kind of reason where they have that other people are dressed up like the Raptors that I talk about all the time, they're usually just not going to walk around because they're not supposed to. You're not supposed to do that. You're not supposed to have like open contact with humans or civilians. So I don't know that they would just be walking around a mall during the day. Now, I have known that they'll rent a mall in the middle of the night so they can go shopping. But

Julie Hilsen (32:24)
Mm-hmm.

Jo Ann Fawcett (32:34)
I don't know, I kind of have to see. So if you have a link to that or whatever, let me know. I don't know, I'm not saying it's a lie, but there were others. Yeah. Wow.

Julie Hilsen (32:39)
Okay.

Well, I found it interesting that it looked like raptors. I was like, huh,

it looks like the, you know, and as I thought of you immediately, so yeah, I'll send it to you.

Jo Ann Fawcett (32:51)
thank you.

Yeah, that'd be great because I don't know. didn't hear about that. yeah, I'm.

Julie Hilsen (32:55)
Yeah, and they weren't

interacting with the people. They were walking around like nobody should be able to see them.

Jo Ann Fawcett (33:02)
wow. Because they don't really cloak. They don't. mean, especially if you could see them in a film. Obviously, they weren't cloaking themselves. They can cloak their spacecraft, but I've never heard of them cloaking them their their self. So that's interesting.

Julie Hilsen (33:15)
So then you

told me to check out Jurassic World, the movies, and I just saw there's a new one coming out, the rebirth. It's coming out in 2025.

Jo Ann Fawcett (33:19)
Yes.

because so are there

is that number three or number four? Maybe three, maybe three or is it four?

Julie Hilsen (33:30)
I believe

I want to say it's four.

Jo Ann Fawcett (33:36)
Okay, it might be. Because I... Is it good?

Julie Hilsen (33:39)
But I watched the trailer, wow.

It's like I got the impression they're growing an embryo dinosaur that's gonna be good to take out the maleficent one.

Jo Ann Fawcett (33:48)
Ooh.

wow. Interesting because they do they was it in an egg or were they artificially doing it?

Julie Hilsen (34:02)
Yeah,

it was in like a clear egg. It would look like artificial. It's a shape of an egg, but you could see it's translucent. You could see through it.

Jo Ann Fawcett (34:07)
OK. OK. I mean, in

their in their natural world, they lay eggs. So, yeah, they're very they're very proud of their babies. I know, I know, but, know, they usually have several at one time. So, know, if I just had six kids, that's great. That's kind of funny. Yeah, yeah.

Julie Hilsen (34:15)
I have to see. As we all should be, it's our ultimate creation.

my goodness.

Jo Ann Fawcett (34:31)
Yeah.

Julie Hilsen (34:31)
Yeah, so we're coming up on our time, but I'm so delighted. I'm so happy to reconnect and I hope everyone enjoys.

Jo Ann Fawcett (34:34)
Okay.

Well, thank you, you too.

Thank you. Yeah. And if anybody's interested, the journal is called Pathways to Healing Journal, and they're both by my name, Joanne Fawcett, and it's all on Amazon or even my website. But, yeah, Amazon's the easiest place probably to get it. if anybody wants to reach out and chat or, you know, if they need a friend, I'm here. So I'm here. I'm here.

Julie Hilsen (35:00)
that's so sweet.

I know we need to stand together and help each other because that's one of the beautiful ways we can get through these things with grace is sisterhood. Yeah, sometimes you just need a hug. I'm sending you a hug from across the US.

Jo Ann Fawcett (35:13)
Yeah, sometimes you just need a hug. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's good. That's good. Thank you. You too. You too.

Thank you dear, you take good care.

Julie Hilsen (35:24)
well thank you again dear sister.