Reclaiming Your Energy & Trusting Your Inner Wisdom with Dr. Mary Sanders

In this raw and honest episode, Dr. Mary Sanders joins Julie to share the real story behind her evolution from a burnt-out chiropractor running multiple clinics to a grounded, heart-led medical intuitive serving clients worldwide.

Mary opens up about leaving behind her “successful” life in the U.S., navigating deep personal upheaval, and discovering the power of meditation, neuroplasticity, and energy medicine. Together, she and Julie explore what it means to truly hold space—for others and for yourself—without losing your own sense of clarity or worth.

You’ll hear Mary’s lived truth about:

• What happens when your external life looks great but feels hollow
• How she tapped into her intuition after years of suppressing it
• Her tools for energetic hygiene and reclaiming your field at the end of each day
• Why being empathetic doesn’t mean carrying everyone else’s pain
• The power of letting your body lead your healing (it knows more than we think)

This episode is for anyone who’s been told they’re too sensitive, who’s navigating burnout, or who wants to finally trust their inner signals. It’s a reminder that your worth and wisdom were never outside you.

💬 Take what resonates, leave what doesn’t. But most of all, remember: your energy is sacred. You have the right to reclaim it.

🎧 Listen now and visit drmarysanders.com for her upcoming classes, group healing sessions, and energy toolbox series.

Chapters

• 0:00 Opening Intention & Welcome
• 0:00 Grounding with Gaia & Clearing Energy Fields
• 3:00 Mary’s Early Career and Burnout
• 4:30 Radical Life Change: Moving to Vietnam
• 6:30 Bali, Meditation & Positive Psychology
• 9:00 Launching Educational Nonprofit in South America
• 10:30 Discovering Energy Medicine & Intuition
• 12:00 Divine Partnership & Healing as a Couple
• 15:00 Mary’s Early Intuitive Gifts
• 20:00 Energetic Boundaries & The Cost of Absorbing Others’ Pain
• 25:00 Teaching Energetic Tools in Daily Life
• 27:00 Grounding with Gaia & Clearing Energy Fields
• 31:00 Holding Space as a Medical Intuitive
• 34:00 How Clients Experience Shifts & Healing
• 37:00 Upcoming Courses & Closing Reflections Let me know if you'd like this formatted for podcast platforms too, or if you'd like a thumbnail design to go with this upload. 🌟 Ask ChatGPT

Transcript

Julie Hilsen (00:05)
Dear source divinity, higher self, please know that I am so open and ready to collaborate with you on this day. And I thank you for bringing us together with Dr. Mary Sanders and her team. I welcome her team to come in as they would like to collaborate and join us. I'm just breathing in the goodness of this day, this wonderful spring time we have all around us.

birth and renewal and the wonderful ways that protons are interacting with the universe right now. I'm just, I'm picturing our light grid growing and I'm welcoming God to work through me and for me to bring forth this message for the highest good, to show us the highest expression of our lives. And however we can show up with our, our

challenges our gifts and embrace everything as as we are contributing to the light grid around the world and I honor I honor dr. Sanders Contributions, and I am so excited to collaborate May we bring forth this message to open the hearts Which wish to soften and the ears that need to hear and as always take what serves you and leave what doesn't we're we're here to

bring forth this message and like I said, add to the love grid and I'm just so honored and I ask this to be brought forth in a intensity of signal to reach those people it needs to hear but also a gentleness of feminine spirit and receptivity that is kind and loving. And so it is. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Mary (01:50)
And so it is. Thank you.

Julie Hilsen (01:53)
Dr. Mary Sanders, welcome to Life of Love!

Mary (01:57)
I am so honored to share time and space with you, Julie. Sincerely, it is my honor.

Julie Hilsen (02:02)
Oh, thank you. You're helping me make this container and it's just been a wonderful journey. So I'm honored because you are a very important contribution to this message and my Life of Love friends are sharing these messages and it's a community. So thank you for being part of it.

Mary (02:22)
my honor.

Julie Hilsen (02:23)
So Dr. Mary Sanders has been passionate about physical, spiritual, and emotional embodiment. And she's here to tell us about what she's been doing and how she's been helping people. And she has a a deep knowledge of this personally. And she's going to share, hopefully she's going to share some about her path. I'm sure that's going to be woven into this beautiful thing we're creating. And yeah, so I just want to dive right into it. You

you said that on your website, I picked up and it was just like, that you learn the hard way. And so I thought that might be a good way to segue into what's your story? Like, why are you on life of love? And what brought you to this three prong approach that's so embodied with physical, emotional and spiritual, like depth.

Mary (03:08)
You know, Julie, I thank you for that humorous statement because it really did bring a chuckle to my, a chuckle to my voice and a smile to my face and my journey. my goodness. It has been so divinely orchestrated with so many ups and downs and all arounds, you know, that happened to all of us, you know, as we mature and as life happens. And I'd like to sit here and say, you know, there was a time in my life, and this is true. This is very ego based.

I thought I was totally in control of my life. And then the universe said, no, I don't think so lady. We have a few tricks up our sleeve. Let's show you a few things. So to make a long story short, Julie, am a chiropractor, been practicing for over now, let's see, over 33 years. That ages me.

And to make a long story short, I graduated at a very young age in which I really thought that I had life figured out. And so the school of heart knocks taught me, I didn't have any business training. All I had was a tremendous amount of get up and go and revealing and some perseverance. And I made a lot of mistakes when I was first out in business, but I just stayed with it long enough to create a wonderful business.

which then turned a little bit sour for me. And that I had multiple offices, big staff, lots of overhead. And from the outside perspective, it looked as though I was on top of the world and underneath I was miserable, absolutely miserable. And so those, especially my husband who obviously knew what was happening internally within me.

tried to counsel and support and to guide me in ways of trying to make the necessary changes. And I was very resistant until one day he said, I say this as if it was a complete surprise to me, but it wasn't. He was offered a job being a director at an international school in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. And he said, hey, you wanna go? And I was like,

Wow, and what he really was asking me, Julie, was to leave something that I created from the ground up, essentially to leave my baby, something that I was closely and egoically tied to. And at the time, I I struggled with that decision, but ultimately I was like, okay, something has to change. And obviously I haven't had.

the gumption to make these changes. So this is the universe's way of saying move on next chapter. So we literally sold everything and we moved to the other side of the world and I woke up and I kid you not, I felt like I was upside down. I felt like I was upside down for a while and I went through this incredible period in my life where I questioned like, okay, time out, time out.

What are you here to do? Why are you here to do it? Why are you still here and what people still need to be connected with? And I was like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know the answer to these questions. So Julie, I did what any sane person would do is I ran away from Ho Chi Minh City and ran down to Bali, Indonesia.

And so when I was down in Bali, my intention was to complete my yoga teacher's training certification. And I've been practicing yoga since I was 21. learned literally from an Indian man who was my physics professor at undergraduate school. So that's when I started practicing yoga.

And so was like, okay, I'm just going to go. I'm going to spend a month down in Bali and I'm just going to get reconnected into my practice and deepen my journey. And it was during that time that I fell in love with meditation. So for the first time in my life, I really had time. had time to deepen my practice. So I came back to Ho Chi Minh City and I kept meditating, kept meditating and

I was experiencing these things that I intellectually couldn't wrap my head around. And so was like, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute. So I know the human body incredibly well, obviously, you know, as a chiropractor with the central nervous system from the neck on down. And then I was like, what's, what's happening in the space between the ears? Like what's happening from the neuroscience perspective when one meditates? And so that question led me to

Julie Hilsen (07:43)
Hmm.

Mary (07:57)
study underneath Dr. Tal Ben-Shahar, who was the guy of happiness. was teaching. to make a long story short, I would fly from Ho Chi Minh City to Lenox, Massachusetts to take his courses and then fly back. And in this process, I got really turned on by the human brain, like the idea of its neuroplasticity, the idea that we have more control over

the subconscious and the conscious and the programming that we are wired with. And we're not hardwired, you know, there's some soft wiring in there that we can manipulate if we choose. So, fate has it that I came back to Ho Chi Minh City, I turned my husband on to the idea and the concepts of positive psychology. And he fell in love with it he's like, we have to bring this to the educational realm. And I said, that's great. So how are we gonna do this?

So we started a nonprofit organization teaching teachers the tools of positive psychology. And my influence was creating the program and teaching people about meditation and mindfulness and in movement and growth mindset. And we designed this program and somewhere in that process we moved from Ho Chi Minh to Bogota, Colombia.

And so here we are living in South America and we thought that our program was going to be designed for schools in the United States. To make a long story short, the United States felt like they had it all figured out within the educational arena, but the schools in South America really wanted this content. So as fast as we were creating it, it was being translated into Spanish.

Julie Hilsen (09:40)
you

Mary (09:40)
and it

took off in Bogota and then also in Lima, Peru. So that took my awareness of the physical body. Then I added in the psychology and began to really incorporate the mental components. So I started to really understand the mind and then life kind of happened. I had a couple of big deaths in my family and

it led me to really understand the human energetics. Like I've always been acutely aware. I desensitized over certain periods of time in my life, but acutely aware of my intuition and how I receive information. So my husband said, look, look, you've wanted to go in deep in your awareness about energy medicine, go and enroll in the Academy of Intuition Medicine.

And so it was from there that I was finally granted permission to listen and lean into my intuition and to heighten the innate skill that I already was blessed with. So there's that nonlinear journey, which then allowed me to take that spiritual component and that energetic component and pilot into my toolbox. So now I hold sacred space of the medical intuitive.

for people in person and remotely all over the world and I just I sit back and I just receive information and it's my job just to share the information in a way that will serve the other person in their highest good in present-time consciousness. So that's

Julie Hilsen (11:20)
you

so amazing. And so many, so many ways we could go with this. But I want to acknowledge your, your trust in yourself. And also, you pick this man before you even knew that you were going to kill to the end. He he was, he was guiding you. And is he I mean, you said he, he graduated from Georgia Tech. What did he study? I'm just curious, because I love divine partnerships. And this

Mary (11:47)
Mm-hmm.

Julie Hilsen (11:51)
seems like a real divine partnership.

Mary (11:54)
It was, it was. So a couple of things that I want to say. If I made my story sounded too graceful, please listeners understand that my journey was anything but graceful, but it was very divinely orchestrated. And I have an incredible partner who was there to help support me as well. And when he was in...

Julie Hilsen (11:56)
Okay.

So do you think he felt

guilty? he like ripped you out of your world. He took your whole your baby and then he's like she's got to go to Bali because I feel so bad. Like you think he was guilt?

Mary (12:22)
Yeah

He must have, he probably still does.

Julie Hilsen (12:27)
I think I have that a little bit in my relationship.

Mary (12:29)
I think that when he was at Georgia Tech, he was studying engineering. In fact, I'm sure that that was the case. And then he transferred into education and then he went to Arizona to finish up his education degree. And when I met, full disclaimer, when I met my husband, he was a patient of mine. And he was the last patient of my day. He was my 545 time slot. And I am like a person who does not like people waiting on me.

Julie Hilsen (12:41)
You

Mary (12:58)
And I don't like waiting on others. And this man could not show up on time for a single appointment. And that's the hour of the day that I'm like, come on, dude, I've been here since 7 a.m. You gotta get here. You gotta get here. But no, listen, he's a lovely, lovely man. We were friends for a couple of years before our relationship turned romantic. So friends first never hurts.

Julie Hilsen (13:11)
Yeah.

Mary (13:25)
At that time, I really was still very, even though I was practicing in a very conservative town and I was very committed to keeping kind of my spirituality underneath the radar for a lot of people, he was very, he committed, we both knew that we had healing to do individually and we had healing to do together as a couple if we were to be in a committed relationship.

And at that time we both enrolled in an energetic, it was called a Wake Point School of Energetic Healing. And it's a branch of Barbara Brennan's work. And it's very hands-on and it's about energy chelation and balancing the body. And I kid you not, Julie, he was more talented than I was at holding space for people.

which irritated the Bajibis out of me because I was the one that was in the profession, right? The healing profession. So bless his heart. He may have missed his calling on that one, but yeah, that was something that allowed a really big stepping stone for the maturity of our relationship. was the foundation.

Julie Hilsen (14:21)
Okay.

Yeah, it always seems to me that the people who are the most gifted take their gifts for granted and they don't even want to go in that direction because they're like, well, that's not challenging. That's not like, it's supposed to work supposed to be hard. You're supposed to achieve in life, you know, so I can sort of see where that came from. And then he knew, he knew how to see it in you because he had it.

Mary (14:54)
Yeah.

Julie Hilsen (15:02)
It's just beautiful. So now I want to switch gears to the whole remote healing and how do you like see the energy systems in the body that need to be addressed? And then do you bring in the chiropractic practice into that? You refer people or how did I'm just curious how that works with with your with your experience? Yeah.

Mary (15:26)
Yeah, yeah.

So I'm going to answer this question, but I'm going to provide a little bit of background information to make it better make sense for you and the listeners. And the first thing, and Julie, I've already shared this, but I was born hearing impaired with a 50 % hearing impairment. So that means that I hear half of what a normal quote unquote hearing person hears. And I went undiagnosed for the first three years of my life.

So that meant for the first three years, I kid you not, listeners, I lived on this physical planet, but I lived someplace between here and there. When I say there is where we came from. And so I literally, I knew that I was like part of a unit. I knew I had a family, but I couldn't necessarily hear the words that were being spoken. Now I could energetically feel the love, but I could also feel it.

everything else. Okay? So I didn't know how to filter what information I was receiving. I was a small person, right? And so then what ended up happening? Yeah, overwhelming. And what ended up happening is that I developed a keen sense of psychometry. So I could feel like with my hands, like I just touched my way through the world, I would touch people.

Julie Hilsen (16:29)
You're three. Yeah.

Mary (16:47)
I would touch things, I just was receiving information through my hand. And I was receiving emotional information in my environment, in my body. So once I got diagnosed, then it became, well, we need to provide Mary all the additional services. We need to get her hearing aids. We need to have her work with a speech pathologist. We need to get her additional tutoring.

we need to provide her with the tools in order to be able to excel. Both of my parents were academics. So they chose at that time to mainstream me in my education. So that meant that I literally was the small person that needed additional support, was wanted placed in an environment in which everything was normal. Like,

Maybe she sat at the beginning at the front of the class, but that's about as much attention as she got. So that's about it. And so to make a long story short, I desensitized my gifts at a young age to fit into this family. Right. And I chose to do that. I went back and I renegotiated some contracts and I said, okay, just let me just let me fit into this normal family.

Julie Hilsen (17:41)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, preferred seating, yeah. It's like...

Mary (18:07)
And then throughout my young adulthood and my adolescent years, I was receiving spontaneous information. So I would have spontaneous downloads. would go home to my mom and I tell her what information that I had gathered. And she'd be like, honey, there's no way that you could know this information. So it wasn't as though I was in an environment that cultivated my gifts. was, that just was not favored.

Julie Hilsen (18:35)
Okay.

Mary (18:35)
that

was not looked, that was not shined upon. Let's just put it on that web. So when I went to chiropractic school, wow, I was 21. Now people were like, hey, Mary, what do you feel with your hands? You know, feel what information can you gather from your hands? And I'm like, really? I can tell you what I'm receiving the information from my hands. Well, let me tell you what I'm feeling.

And so that's when I allowed my gifts to kind of come back online. Now, I share this with you because of my hypersensitivity of picking up the feelings and the emotions of my environment, I became very clairsentient to a default. And what that means is just to be able to receive and to hold other people's emotions. And so what ended up happening, and this happened in my chiropractic office,

Well, I ran an energy that I could sense, feel and know what was happening energetically with the person. I felt like my job was to take that energy on so that the other person could be out of pain. And I was completely capable of doing that. And so I would go from person to person to person to person and they would be like, oh my goodness, thank you, thank you. I feel so much better. How did you know? How did you know?

Julie Hilsen (19:46)
enough

Wow, yes.

Mary (19:59)
And then at the end of the day, I didn't know whose energy was mine. You know, what was mine and what belonged to everybody else. And so I got really, really mixed, confusing messages. I was just like, let me just vomit this out. This is just not pleasant. So that's kind of what led.

Julie Hilsen (20:07)
Yeah.

Yeah, was a toxic, you

were the toxic dump for everybody and you weren't clearing anything or acknowledging that was theirs or ending that. Cancel, delete. wow.

Mary (20:19)
Yeah!

And so Julie,

I really thought I was being of service, okay?

Julie Hilsen (20:32)
Well, you were to them,

but not to you. No.

Mary (20:35)
Well, no, I

now know I wasn't serving them. Okay. And this is a message that I really am adamant about people understanding and that just because you care for your empathetic towards another individual does not mean that you carry whatever discordance, emotional hardship that they may be having.

Julie Hilsen (20:39)
Okay, yeah.

Mary (21:01)
Twofold number one you're robbing them of their own journey their own journey and You're polluting your own self and So for that very reason today I'm I am like super adamant about You gotta learn how to mutually separate from people you need to learn how to climb you need to learn how to ground and charge

your own system and to have very strong boundaries when it comes to your energetic view.

Julie Hilsen (21:37)
And it just blows my mind how this is not taught. And I brought this up before. This is something so impactful and it would change our world if this were taught even in preschool. Like, Johnny's having it fit over there.

to Johnny's having a hard time, that's his thing. And you don't need to own Johnny's. I mean, it can be taught at a very, like you said, you were involved with the education and did this. Well, I guess I'm jumping around a little bit, but when you were doing the programs in Bogota and in Peru, was this part of the curriculum, with the meditation and clearing your energy field, like did you weave this in because you had felt it so much?

Mary (22:20)
Yeah, at that time I did not have the neutral separations were taught to me by Dr. Francesca McCartney, the first module in the Academy of Intuition Medicine. So I had not gone through the Academy, right? I had not gone through the Academy while I had been promoting the nonprofit.

Julie Hilsen (22:33)
Makes sense. Yeah.

Mary (22:40)
But I knew that there was grounding and I knew the sanctuary of the mat and I knew the mindfulness techniques with the meditation. But I'm with you, Julie, I think, and I've said this for years, so those listeners that you may have heard me on another podcast, is a repeat, but it's a message worth getting. And that is, if you are in, especially if you are in the service industry, Julie,

Julie Hilsen (23:09)
Mm.

Mary (23:09)
having

gone been in a speech pathologist, anybody in the healing arts, anybody who's of service, I don't care if you're waiting tables or if you are checking people out at the grocery store, if you're at the gas station, you're in the service industry, which I believe all of us are to a certain degree, you get to know how to identify.

what are the other people's and how to establish strong boundaries. And it is not your responsibility to hold the energy for other people, just not.

Julie Hilsen (23:41)
No, that's so you're in my mind. I was thinking about when I was waiting tables in college, you you have a table that you know, things are going south, like they, they made the wrong thing. They're not going to be happy. They're couples in a fight or whatever it is. Like that table is just gone, but you can't let it affect your whole other section, right? Like you got to shake that off and go to the next table. And that's a perfect blank.

canvas at that next table. Like waiting tables teaches you so much because if you stay if you stay in the the framework of disaster, you're just gonna have a really bad night and it's hard work too. Wow. Yeah. And you know, my my oldest son was having really bad nightmares. And you know, he was at school and I said Reese, you know,

Mary (24:21)
So true, so true.

Julie Hilsen (24:34)
you might want to clear your field and I told him how to do it. And you know, here I am, I do it for myself, I do in the shower every day, but I don't think to tell my children. But when there's a problem, it's nice to have a toolbox. And you know, maybe maybe he listened more because it wasn't part of my everything the mom says, you know, like, did you do this, this, that and that, you know, like, maybe, maybe when the students ready, the lesson will appear, the teacher will appear.

but and I can't own his path, but I was glad he did help his nightmares when he cleared his energy before he went to bed that really made a difference to him. But yeah, it's and it doesn't have to be a difficult thing, right? Like, what's your way? How do you do it?

Mary (25:11)
Absolutely.

No.

Well, OK, so this kind of adds to the conversation. So I teach a class called the energetic toolbox kit. OK, and so I'm teaching people how to do these tools. And one, I did a checkout interview with one of the gals that took my last class. And she said, you provided us with practical tools. You took something that was a little bit esoteric and kind of out there.

Julie Hilsen (25:47)
Mm-hmm.

Mary (25:47)
and you showed

me how to do it at the dinner table at Thanksgiving dinner. You showed me how to do it in the grocery store. You showed me just the practical everyday tools. And so I'm so glad that you said that because that I think is empowerment. Knowing that you have tools to support you in your daily activities. mean, we all live on this earthly plane. We're not always going to have a good...

Julie Hilsen (26:05)
Yes!

Mary (26:15)
soft cushioning environment around us. It's not gonna happen. We have family members, we have society, we have the environment, we have judgmental people. So yeah, the way that I hold space, okay, this is the first thing that I wanna say. I first cultivate the relationship, the two-way exchange in relationship with Mother Earth. And that's through allowing that loving, nurturing, supportive, caressing,

raising rich organic nutrient-dense substance to flow through the physical body and to connect your lower extremities and your pelvis and walk to the beat of Gaia to really slow down and to allow your central nervous system to regulate at a much lower and slower pace so that you can be more mindful, you can be more present.

That's the first thing. Because if you're in...

Julie Hilsen (27:14)
That's why Om is such a... Om... To me, when you do the Om, that embodies Mother Gaia. Like, hello Mother Gaia, I'm connecting to you. Thank you for reminding me about that.

Mary (27:30)
Well, you spent time in Ohio. You know that manure rich, stinky, earth that just like cultivates everything, right? Food that we eat and the weeds that surround us. I mean, she is prolific. Super prolific. I grew up in the Midwest. I can say all that. But.

Julie Hilsen (27:38)
Mm-hmm.

Mary (27:47)
I just really like, there's nothing more satisfying to me than laying in the grass or laying on a big rock or being saturated by nature. Just really rejuvenating for me. So that's the first step is to cultivate that relationship. And so then when you're in a grounded state, the more expanded one becomes, the more they need to deepen and widen their grounding field. And so when you're neutrally separating,

You can sit in an expanded state and you can envision various different pods of people, places or things that may have occupied your energetic space for that day. So for me in the evening before I go home, I envision all my patients that I held space for. Perhaps I have another bubble for those people that I connected with online.

or I have a bubble for those people that I met at Whole Foods or the people that I worked out with or people that I might be experiencing challenges with. And so then I use my hands because the psychometry is a beautiful way to share energy. And I gift back the energy from myself to these various different pods of people, places and things. And I wait, I sit and I wait for that exchange in that.

that transfer to happen. And then once I feel like they've fluffed up and really received, you know, what makes them feel good, then I just say energetically, okay, now it's time. It's for me to reclaim what rightfully belongs to me. And then in that energy stream, I receive the energy back. And I take that energy and I run it through and I ground it back down to Mother Earth so that she can recycle it and that I can

Julie Hilsen (29:14)
Mm-hmm. ⁓

Mary (29:37)
build, you bring in some fresh saturated earth energy to replenish myself. And then I mutually separate, I sever those cords. And then what ends up happening is that these pods disappear, they just kind of go about their own direction. And then I come back to south and then I'm ready to go home for then my day is complete, you know, then I can go home and be more present for my for my husband.

Julie Hilsen (30:03)
that is beautiful. That is so in the visual. I've been connecting to this. We talked about it. We didn't talk about this before we started recording, but the light grid is so important to me in helping spread the light of where humanity can go if we choose. And so this ties in bringing, you're bringing divinity and mother earth and your name is Mary, which is not lost.

with me with the divine you know mother feminine energy at this mother earth that can

help us transmit and transmute what doesn't serve us and then reclaiming your divinity at the end of this. love the visual. I love the bubble. That's their journey. But the people have come to you and asked. so that's a beautiful sentiment too, is that you ask. It's one of those, the teacher appears when the student is ready moment, I guess, or coming back to you. It's so beautiful. Seek and you will find. Ask and you will

receive. I love this. Wow, it's beautiful. So that is energy. So it's, it's not like you're saying, Hey, you need to drink more water or go.

or I'm sure that you talk about diet or if someone's physical body is disrupted, you might tell them what they can do to support their physical body on this 3D plane. But your healing to me, what you said is about energetically sending them and resetting something that's out of balance or giving them, supplementing what they need to find their answers. So you might not give them specific A, B, and C, do this.

So how do you measure, mean, do your clients come back and say, hey, you know, this is improved like this, or how do you know, how do you know your impact? And I'm just curious because it's, you know, if you're remotely doing this, it's the imposter syndrome sometimes with spirituality, because we can't put our hands on it all the time. But you're successful and you're doing this and you're wonderful. So I want you to share how you know.

Mary (32:10)
Yeah.

And I think that's a legitimate question. And this is not new, nor is your comment lost on me at all, because Julie, have been sitting, chiropractic has been kind of like the stepchild, you know, the medical, the AMA, like they haven't always said that what you guys do is proven and effective to treat various different physical ailments, right? They say, OK, chiropractic is good for low back pain. They give us that.

Julie Hilsen (32:34)
Mm-hmm.

Mary (32:39)
And then they came around and said, well, maybe you can help with headaches. And I have over 30 years of people coming back and saying, Mary, I don't care what you're doing. It's working. So whether it's scientifically proven or not, this stuff works. And so I still hold space for that because I'm just a normal, soon to be 56 year old woman. I have a huge, heavy scientific background and I hold space for the hardcore science.

Julie Hilsen (32:57)
Okay.

Mary (33:08)
that has been proven, and then I hold space for the science that has yet to be proven. And as a practitioner, I sit in this big old pregnant pause. It's like, I know this works. I can't necessarily prove it. I know that there's some research that's helping to substantiate what it is that I'm doing, but I really can't get too caught up in that. I just know, I trust, and I have faith that this works.

Julie Hilsen (33:18)
Mm-hmm.

Mary (33:33)
And so when people come back to me, there are people that say, okay, I just only want one session. I just want one session and I want you to fix one, two and three. And so I'm like, okay, so I'm here to tell you, I want to manage your expectations. Your physical body is the most dense of all of your energetic systems. Your physical body will be the last to change. The last to change. But if you want to experience my work and come in for one single session,

Julie Hilsen (33:42)
Thanks.

Right.

Mary (34:02)
That's fine, let's do this and let's set the intention to serve you to your highest good and let's set the intention to be seen what you currently need to be seen at this moment. And so then we open up the field and again, how I hold space for each individual beautiful spirit is different. I just sit back and I'm like,

All right, so counterintuitive. The more I lean back away from the situation, the more I feel, the more I sense, the more I know. And it's when I get really attached to the idea of seeing it and feeling it is when I start mucking it up. And I don't want that. want to sit back and be shown what is to be intended to be so. So people will come back and say, I don't know what's going on. I feel lighter. My moods are better.

The people that stick around for more treatment, they come back and they say they have changes in their relationship issues. have their well-being or their emotional well-being seems to be more stabilized. I've been blessed to have people call me and tell me that their cancer markers have improved. I mean, that's like, I mean, that just brings tears to my eyes when I really think about it. I'm just like, I'm not

doing anything people. I'm not. All I'm doing is holding space in your body, your energy. You are so intelligent and so capable that your body can do this. It has such innate wisdom and somatic intelligence. You know how to heal yourself. I'm blessed. I'm blessed to be part of the journey and I will lovingly hold space for you in the future.

Julie Hilsen (35:35)
I'm going it.

Mary (35:52)
you're determining the healing.

Julie Hilsen (35:54)
It's such a powerful message. So powerful. So I know we're coming up on our time. So I want, I just want to emphasize that message. You're higher self, your divinity knows and you're worthy to hold space. So I was confused. I thought you did most of it remote, but you're talking about people who are in your office or both, because you do both, right?

Mary (36:17)
Most of

my energy clients are remote. And so then I only, yeah, I have on my chiropractic patients two half days out of the week and then the rest of the time I spend doing remote work. Yeah. Yeah, and my classes too, so.

Julie Hilsen (36:20)
Okay, gotcha. So, I mean, this is...

So

you're not even looking at like visualizing the chakras and saying, you know, like the root chakras out or their, you know, their chakras. Okay, ⁓ so you do, you get the energy centers and you can focus on those remotely.

Mary (36:44)
I get a lot of information when it comes to chakras. ⁓ I do. I do, but it gets related

back into the endocrine system. So then it gets related back into the physical body. It's really fascinating how it works. It's like I get shown the energy centers or the deficiencies in energy systems, and then they show me, it's just bizarre. It's like it shows up on my physical body and then I go there, then we unravel that.

Julie Hilsen (36:56)
Okay.

Mary (37:13)
we find the energy center, then we find the endocrine system, then we find the hormones, and then we find the central nervous system, then we look at the brain, and it's just like, it's just, just, who's are?

Julie Hilsen (37:25)
So holistic, so holistic. well, I adore this. I adore this work and I'll put a link to your website. I was on there earlier and it's a wealth of information. You break it down. You break down the struggles, the shame, the programming that we experience and you know it because you lived it. So yeah, I didn't even get to all my questions. ⁓

Mary (37:49)
Yeah.

Julie Hilsen (37:52)
I have to go back and pick your brain again. So I'd be happy to share your information in the show notes, like I said. Did you have any workshops coming up? Is it on demand? how can...

Mary (37:54)
Ugh.

Thank you.

I

have a starting this evening. I've got another cohort this fall. I'll be starting I've been it's been requested that I put together a toolbox 2.0 So I will be in the fall. I'll be starting another 1.0 and then I'll be beta testing a 2.0 So my website has all my information on it and then I do monthly group healings and things like that. So

Julie Hilsen (38:17)
Okay. ⁓

that's right. That's

Mary (38:33)
Yeah.

Julie Hilsen (38:33)
what I was trying to come up. I knew I read that. That was a great option. know, like, what an amazing opportunity to work with you. And, I honor your journey. And thank you for sharing so candidly. And, you know, it's just been a beautiful conversation. Thank you.

Mary (38:49)
Thank you for holding space.